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	<title>Comments on: Google: Book Settlement site is up, Authors can claim $60 for their scanned books</title>
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		<title>By: Frances Grimble</title>
		<link>http://startupmeme.com/google-book-settlement-site-is-up-authors-can-claim-60-for-their-scanned-books/comment-page-1/#comment-16454</link>
		<dc:creator>Frances Grimble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google Library has scanned millions of books for Google to sell as parts of databases to libraries, as e-books to individuals, as print-on-demand books, and as anthologies Google assembles from parts of various books. Google will probably not be giving most of these books away to readers or libraries, but selling them. Google has NOT restricted their scanning to books that are out of copyright, out of print, or by deceased authors. They have scanned many books that are in print and actively being sold. The “classes” the settlement applies to are, legally, officially, and practically, every book author and every book publisher in every country that signed the Berne agreement, who published any book or book-length work before January 1, 2009. Unless they opt out of the entire Settlement  BEFORE May 5, 2009—and the Settlement makes no guarantee that books that have been opted out of the Settlement entirely will not be sold by Google anyway.

The advertising model is in fact a dying model for publishers, not a new one. Many good magazines and newspapers are in serious financial trouble because they cannot sell enough ads either in print or online. There are simply too many ad venues now for most publishers to make significant money off selling ads. Most books are not bestsellers and simply will not sell in the millions, or would be read in the millions even if they were given away. Consequently, the ad revenues will likely be negligible for many excellent books. The Settlement does not make any guarantees as to what revenues publishers will receive from ad or e-book sales--or indeed, guarantee they will receive any revenues at all. If Google cannot come up with a model that makes money for the publishers and authors (as opposed to Google, who WILL make money), the publishers and authors are still stuck with the terms of Settlement. Which, by the way, makes its members actually PAY an undefined amount to support the database required by the Settlement—Google’s not shouldering that cost.

As someone who’s earned my living as a writer all my adult life, I take the issue of getting paid very seriously. There is no reason why members of every other profession should get paid a living wage, and expect me to slave for no pay to entertain and inform them. Why should I bother? Likewise, why should I work for a pittance to increase Google profits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Library has scanned millions of books for Google to sell as parts of databases to libraries, as e-books to individuals, as print-on-demand books, and as anthologies Google assembles from parts of various books. Google will probably not be giving most of these books away to readers or libraries, but selling them. Google has NOT restricted their scanning to books that are out of copyright, out of print, or by deceased authors. They have scanned many books that are in print and actively being sold. The “classes” the settlement applies to are, legally, officially, and practically, every book author and every book publisher in every country that signed the Berne agreement, who published any book or book-length work before January 1, 2009. Unless they opt out of the entire Settlement  BEFORE May 5, 2009—and the Settlement makes no guarantee that books that have been opted out of the Settlement entirely will not be sold by Google anyway.</p>
<p>The advertising model is in fact a dying model for publishers, not a new one. Many good magazines and newspapers are in serious financial trouble because they cannot sell enough ads either in print or online. There are simply too many ad venues now for most publishers to make significant money off selling ads. Most books are not bestsellers and simply will not sell in the millions, or would be read in the millions even if they were given away. Consequently, the ad revenues will likely be negligible for many excellent books. The Settlement does not make any guarantees as to what revenues publishers will receive from ad or e-book sales&#8211;or indeed, guarantee they will receive any revenues at all. If Google cannot come up with a model that makes money for the publishers and authors (as opposed to Google, who WILL make money), the publishers and authors are still stuck with the terms of Settlement. Which, by the way, makes its members actually PAY an undefined amount to support the database required by the Settlement—Google’s not shouldering that cost.</p>
<p>As someone who’s earned my living as a writer all my adult life, I take the issue of getting paid very seriously. There is no reason why members of every other profession should get paid a living wage, and expect me to slave for no pay to entertain and inform them. Why should I bother? Likewise, why should I work for a pittance to increase Google profits?</p>
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		<title>By: Sardar Mohkim Khan</title>
		<link>http://startupmeme.com/google-book-settlement-site-is-up-authors-can-claim-60-for-their-scanned-books/comment-page-1/#comment-16311</link>
		<dc:creator>Sardar Mohkim Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world will definitely move on to the Digital form, sooner than one would anticipate, very true on that. The reason to copy would definitely end if every book (old ones as you say) are made reachable online. 

Speaking on the present one, how many authors you would make an appropriate amount if they launch a digital book and have it on sale? I am pointing exactly at what you have, regarding new authors. I think that would be only one time payment, the rest of the people would get it through distribution and redistribution from a single buy out. Perhaps the things will change in times to come, for the good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world will definitely move on to the Digital form, sooner than one would anticipate, very true on that. The reason to copy would definitely end if every book (old ones as you say) are made reachable online. </p>
<p>Speaking on the present one, how many authors you would make an appropriate amount if they launch a digital book and have it on sale? I am pointing exactly at what you have, regarding new authors. I think that would be only one time payment, the rest of the people would get it through distribution and redistribution from a single buy out. Perhaps the things will change in times to come, for the good.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenny Vasbinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lenny Vasbinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There would be no need for anyone to &quot;copy&quot; the text to recreate the book since it would be available to read online whenever one wanted to read it... at least for all books that are old enough to have made it into Public Libraries.  That gives authors of new books a certain period of time to sell their hard cover and soft cover books to those folks who still feel the need to read that way but the future is going to be digital, just like with music, movies and most other formerly &quot;hard&quot; media.

Now... if Google Books was taking newly release books and copying them in their entirety and making them available to the public at no charge, that would not be fair to the authors/publishers but if like on Kindle, where Amazon.com sells a digital copy, I&#039;m sure there are royalties worked out to be paid to the publishers/authors so all should be happy.

Eventually, authors/publishers of ANY AND ALL media will have to realize that they will start to get a much lower royalty per unit when it&#039;s in digital form compared to a material form... but then their cost to make one digital copy and then turn that into millions of digital units for resale compared to printing millions of hard media units.  The music and movie industry has mostly made that move so books and other printed media will just have to let go of the the past 20 centuries and move into the 21st century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There would be no need for anyone to &#8220;copy&#8221; the text to recreate the book since it would be available to read online whenever one wanted to read it&#8230; at least for all books that are old enough to have made it into Public Libraries.  That gives authors of new books a certain period of time to sell their hard cover and soft cover books to those folks who still feel the need to read that way but the future is going to be digital, just like with music, movies and most other formerly &#8220;hard&#8221; media.</p>
<p>Now&#8230; if Google Books was taking newly release books and copying them in their entirety and making them available to the public at no charge, that would not be fair to the authors/publishers but if like on Kindle, where Amazon.com sells a digital copy, I&#8217;m sure there are royalties worked out to be paid to the publishers/authors so all should be happy.</p>
<p>Eventually, authors/publishers of ANY AND ALL media will have to realize that they will start to get a much lower royalty per unit when it&#8217;s in digital form compared to a material form&#8230; but then their cost to make one digital copy and then turn that into millions of digital units for resale compared to printing millions of hard media units.  The music and movie industry has mostly made that move so books and other printed media will just have to let go of the the past 20 centuries and move into the 21st century.</p>
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		<title>By: Sardar Mohkim Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sardar Mohkim Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries Lenny :). Of course anyone should be able to read books online like they do in libraries, but then think of it, if it were to become so public and everyone could read books: you know how easy it is to copy text and recreate them. As I said before, we will have to wait for all such class-actions just when things begin to go smooth for Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries Lenny <img src='http://startupmeme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Of course anyone should be able to read books online like they do in libraries, but then think of it, if it were to become so public and everyone could read books: you know how easy it is to copy text and recreate them. As I said before, we will have to wait for all such class-actions just when things begin to go smooth for Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Lenny Vasbinder</title>
		<link>http://startupmeme.com/google-book-settlement-site-is-up-authors-can-claim-60-for-their-scanned-books/comment-page-1/#comment-16302</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenny Vasbinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had typed in a &quot;blink&quot; smiley behind that last sentence about wanting a piece of Google too but it didn&#039;t show up.  That was said in jest.

I don&#039;t understand how Google Books is different than any other library.  The truth is that ALL books should be available for free to read online... in their entirety, just like they should be, and mostly are, at libraries.  The fact that folks can then choose to buy the book, right from Google Books, either in eBook format or as an actual published work would only benefit the original author of the book.  They don&#039;t even get that benefit from a library... but maybe this is something libraries should do as a way to increase revenues without constantly wanting more taxpayer funding.

BUT... this settlement by Google Books does open the door to a class-action lawsuit for sites like the Wayback Internet Archive, all of the Search engines, etc., possibly being in violation of copyright laws as well, since they &quot;copy&quot; some or all of every webpage they crawl.  The Wayback Internet Archives actually stores archived copies of every page on the internet whereas search engines merely copy a snipet of the page to show up in the search results and has &quot;cached&quot; snapshots of webpages... but nonetheless, it&#039;s a &quot;copy&quot; of something that is copyright protected, without the original author&#039;s permission.

Lenny Vasbinder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had typed in a &#8220;blink&#8221; smiley behind that last sentence about wanting a piece of Google too but it didn&#8217;t show up.  That was said in jest.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand how Google Books is different than any other library.  The truth is that ALL books should be available for free to read online&#8230; in their entirety, just like they should be, and mostly are, at libraries.  The fact that folks can then choose to buy the book, right from Google Books, either in eBook format or as an actual published work would only benefit the original author of the book.  They don&#8217;t even get that benefit from a library&#8230; but maybe this is something libraries should do as a way to increase revenues without constantly wanting more taxpayer funding.</p>
<p>BUT&#8230; this settlement by Google Books does open the door to a class-action lawsuit for sites like the Wayback Internet Archive, all of the Search engines, etc., possibly being in violation of copyright laws as well, since they &#8220;copy&#8221; some or all of every webpage they crawl.  The Wayback Internet Archives actually stores archived copies of every page on the internet whereas search engines merely copy a snipet of the page to show up in the search results and has &#8220;cached&#8221; snapshots of webpages&#8230; but nonetheless, it&#8217;s a &#8220;copy&#8221; of something that is copyright protected, without the original author&#8217;s permission.</p>
<p>Lenny Vasbinder</p>
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		<title>By: Sardar Mohkim Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sardar Mohkim Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lenny Everyone would have gladly signed up myself. Have you written book that has been scanned by Google?
As for the class-action, I hope that doesn&#039;t happen, all it will do is have Google going to court for ONE more reason,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lenny Everyone would have gladly signed up myself. Have you written book that has been scanned by Google?<br />
As for the class-action, I hope that doesn&#8217;t happen, all it will do is have Google going to court for ONE more reason,</p>
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		<title>By: Lenny Vasbinder</title>
		<link>http://startupmeme.com/google-book-settlement-site-is-up-authors-can-claim-60-for-their-scanned-books/comment-page-1/#comment-16294</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenny Vasbinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this now mean that I can expect a new class-action suite for folks with websites where search engines display part of our copyrighted work in the search page results?

Sign me up... I want my piece of Google too!!!! 

Lenny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this now mean that I can expect a new class-action suite for folks with websites where search engines display part of our copyrighted work in the search page results?</p>
<p>Sign me up&#8230; I want my piece of Google too!!!! </p>
<p>Lenny</p>
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